Wait.they picked a vegetarian on the board of directors? I thought they didn’t have a vegan agenda? Why not put a humane free range grass fed farmer there? hmmm

Looks like Wayne’s got himself a bottom feeder here. Except maybe bottom feeders eat fish. And they don’t blather on ad nauseum.

Well, not to be nit picky or anything, but this guy is NOT a vegetarian from this description, he’s a vegan.

There’s a diffrerence, people, and I don’t understand why we are willing to insult good vegetarians who do not (in my experience at least) think that the rest of the world needs to eat their diet, much less corrupt the legislative process to insure that.

Vegetarians are with those of us who do eat meat, though they do not. Vegetarians mostly do use dairy products, and many use eggs and fish as well. They wear wool and leather as often as not, use honey and wear silk. They keep pets and do not perceive laying hens as slaves.

Vegans on the other hand aren’t that flexible. Vegans believe their lifestyle - which includes no animal products or companions whatever of any kind at all - is the only moral, ethical way to live, and they see no problem at all with corrupting the legislative process and the legal system to make sure you, too, can participate in that moral lifestyle. To them any means to an end is an acceptable principle, and the end they are focused on is the legal definition of animal ownership to mean animal abuse.

So - let’s not continue to abuse vegetarians by pretending there is no difference between them and vegans eh?

I don’t think the line is quite so clear on vegetarians and vegans.  There are thick fuzzy lines when you talk to those who call themselves vegetarians and/or vegans and what their ideology or philosophy as well as habits are.  They are as varied on thier positions regardless of how they define themselves. Its like the term factory farm…  there is no one accepted definition and it is very blurry depending on who you talk to.  The term was coined and is mostly used by anti-animal ag and environmental activists, not by the agriculture industry.  Many will say that industrialization of ag determines the use of the term factory farm, however, all ag has been to some degree industrialized.  No one, not even plain sect farmers, use the same practices as 75 years ago.  Labels can be misleading….

I think the line was pretty clear until people started realizing where vegans and ARists were going, and then the line started to get blurry.

The AR organizations are glad to blur ALL the lines, and muddle all the definitions; that way they can confuse people into letting them redefine terms like ‘puppy mills’  (to animal lovers, high volume commercial breeders, to them, anyone who breeds even one litter), ‘factory farms’  (to AgriBiz the only possible way to raise meat, to ARists anyone who raises any animal for meat, milk, eggs or fiber) ‘animal abuse’ (to anmal lovers brutality to animals, to ARists, anyone who owns animals).

If words don’t mean anything in particular, they can be made to mean anything at all, which in a court of law is a very dangerous proposition.  I realize that since I went to school, all has become very fuzzy where academics are concerned, but if we are willing to let extremist radicals redefine terms as suits them, then maybe we deserve what we get.

I propose to fight, not only for my right to own animals and use them humanely, but also for the language, without which we are pretty much helpless.

It’s standard for inept top managers or those with a counterproductive agenda to try to pack the board with supporters or (as in this case) the undead. Geezzz—I hope the first thing “she said” was “$100 in advance.”

Next technique: Beer and (vegetarian) ravioli for lunch prior to board meetings.  But I doubt Wayne needs any advice from me.

Thanks for keeping us informed, HW!

I suck at math and wear cheap shoes. Can I get on the HSUS board?

This guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he’s good for comic relief. Just like Wayne Pacelle.

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