Iowa is a matter of time and already in HSUS lap especially with dog breeding. IL not going to happen. OK not going to happen - look at the regs going in there! (Do you sanitize all surfaces in your home daily? You will if you have dogs that breed or won’t have them.) The cities carry the vote even when they don’t understand it or want to talk about it.

On the bright side, three of the four right-to-hunt-and-fish constitutional amendments PASSED overwhelmingly in Tennessee (90 per cent yes), South Carolina (89 per cent), and Arkansas (81 per cent).

Arizona failed, 56.4 per cent no.

The North Dakota anti-enclosure hunting amendment FAILED,
56.3 per cent voting no.

Missouri Proposition B passed. I’m sorry but all who voted for this measure are misinformed. There are already many laws on the books to address animal cruelty in Missouri, So we cave to the millions of dollars spent by the HSUS on TV adverts that show poor conditions that should have been prosecuted under the laws already in effect. The problem here folks is the lack of funding to enforce the laws. So we pass this feel good legislation that will do nothing but cost Missourian Millions of tax dollars to appease the California based nosence that this law emulates. The City folks that buy the pet shop pets are the fuel that feeds the puppy mill machine. So I hope when their taxes are raised, they think, Hmmm maybe that was a bad idea. Oh, and also when their price for your steak, pork, chicken etc….. goes through the roof, at least they can rest comfortably knowing that the animals being killed for their consuption are being raised in climate controlled facilities that are better than the schools our children attend.

Becuase if they think this duplicate law is the end, they are sadly mistaken. Look at the other states that the HSUS has pushed this through. Did you know that the HSUS facilities are not subject to this legislation?

Speaking as an urban dweller (I live in Kansas City) who spent the last several months actively campaigning AGAINST this cracked-out piece of carpetbagger crap legislation, words cannot express how utterly revolted I am that it passed anyway.

Hopefully the newly-conservative Missouri legislature will put on their big-boy/girl pants and gut this garbage before it goes into effect next year.

Too bad the farmers and livestock folks can’t refuse to sell to anyone sending to “market” in those places….that could be FUN <G>....EMPTY freezers in the stores <G> and no veggies but of course for now its impossible and who knows, it could happen on down the line!

Perhaps the animals that will need to find homes should be sent to those neighborhoods? in large numbers?  too bad no pictures to show which homes had those VOTE YES on PROP B signs so they know who’s doorstep to leave them!!

Guess we need to get all those animal rights “educational” materials out of the schools pretty quickly, eh?

That would be a first step, of course, but it’s going to be a challenge to get through to the city people. I’m afraid they won’t wake up until they find themselves wearing polyester suits, plastic shoes and eating a vegan - not vegetarian - diet.

Willful ignorance can be hard to fix.

I talked to some folks from AR. today that did not know what this bill was about. I made sure to tell them all about it and to get ready, there state would be next in line!

I don’t really think the established dog breeders in MO will be able to afford to move into another state and start over. Professional dog kennels have so much invested in their facilities and the yearly upkeep and maintenance cost are unreal. The puppy market is horrible and to start over somewhere else is just inconceivable. MO just hurt their economy enormously! All those feed companies, building construction companies, vets, and pet product distributors will feel the pinch. Not to mention the new money that came into MO from all across the nation, that helped pay state income taxes. Their unemployment and welfare system will feel it though! I hope Mr. Pacelle sleeps well in his plush comfy bed in his big extravagant house and life style that he is keeping with the money he makes with his deception!

I agree with the other tax payer. The City folk buy their puppies from big box retailers that cause this puppy mill problem in the first place. Do you know what they do to those puppies who do not sell? Have you ever thought why did they not have adult dogs?

There are current laws in place to protect animals and give them humane conditions already. The current laws are not going to detur puppy mills from happening but make it harder for hard working Americans to run a real dog breeding business.

Also, the counties that approved of this law are some of the poorest counties in Missouri. They don’t care where the tax dollars go to because they don’t even pay the taxes that support this.

Celebrity endorsements hurt.  Tony Larussa, a vegetarian, was on commercials urging us to vote yes on Prop B.  The 50 dog limit is arbitrary, but most likely will mean the only people allowed to raise dogs in Missouri will be doing it part time.  I humbly suggest we initiate a petition to limit baseball stadiums to 10,000 seats to prevent the occurrence of professional baseball as well.

If my math is correct, H$U$ spent THREE TIMES as much money on the 2010 elections than it gave to local animal shelters.

I am hearing a large sucking sound as wallets and checkbooks close up their generous donations to HSUS, rescues and shelters. Yes Virginia, there can be disastrous unseen results in these types of emotional elections. I think the good hearts of Missourians are at this point more concerned with a failing economy and the fact that our Governor has wielded a mighty axe to cut spending. Spend a million dollars on a faulty proposition or put it into our Missouri schools. Talk amongst yourselves.

There is too much talk about ‘city’ folk and not enough talk about getting out the information to these large population centers.  When people in Kansas City found out what the HSUS was really about, they converted to NO votes.  However, an uniformed voter would have been truly misled by the wording on this ballot initiative and they were.  The Ag industry needs to combine their money and efforts to provide a common, well funded defense to the HSUS propaganda.  It is indeed amazing that this Prop. passed by such a narrow margin and a huge testament to the true nature of most Missourians.  The fact that it passed in the big cities doesn’t mean that they are all a bunch of bleeding hearts.  It means they didn’t know any better.  SO—keep spreading the word.  Like Dr. Foster said, the more Missourians know about the HSUS, the louder the sucking sound we’ll hear as the donations dry up to the HSUS.  When you get that packet of Christmas Cards from little ol’ Wayne—-toss ‘em in the trash!

The 50 dog limit will put most breeders out of business. It’s not enough to return a full time income, but it won’t support the help and hours it takes to run it.

These kennels have employees - they are not one man operations. Cutting them to 50 dogs will put them out of business, and a lot of people out of work.

And kill a lot of dogs.

And we’ll be hearing screaming about how the shelters are over populated, and there is a huge pet population.

Is there really anyone left who still believes that HSUS doesn’t create the problems it pretends to ‘fix’?

Sadly, Lynn, the answer to your question is “Yes”, and worse still, an awful lot of them are otherwise intelligent and well-meaning people involved in animal rescue who absolutely REFUSE TO SEE what they’re buying into by believing the H$U$‘s lies; even the ones who have seen for themselves the abuse and misery the AR movement caused by getting horse slaughter totally banned in the U.S.

Well then HSUS got ripped off in tv and ad spending! HAHAHA!

Because of the HSUS win here in Missouri, and the obvious Ag-education that is needed in the urban areas, a new group is in the process of being formed that’s focus will be fact-based knowledge about Agriculture for people in an urban setting. Even though it’s in its early stages, we already have a few ranches that are interested in contributing for a non-profit organization. If you are interested, please go to the Facebook link to find out more information if you would like to be involved. And all non-Missourians are welcome, because as mentioned above, if this passed in Missouri it’ll pass anywhere.

I would love to!  I posted is the Brownsfield yesterday on this.

Typo, Brownfield!

Sorry about that! Here you go everyone! We hope to hear from you!

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=152005388177763&index=1

we can only hope that not ONE SINGLE DOG is turned over to “rescue” from breeders who MIGHT be forced to cut down.. ( it ain’t over till it’s over) the very idea that the “humane societies” who supported this trash will benefit by getting FREE merchandise ( read dogs) to SELL is sickening.. you can guarantee that if they do get them they will be USED as examples of “poor breeding” and “dogs who have never touched grass” etc.. so why would anyone let this happen
Missouri breeders who are affected by this should band together in solidarity and pledge that not one single dog will go to “rescue” from their homes. 
Rescue and the HSUS are COUNTING on this to perpetuate these laws in other states.. they are already salivating about the “thousands” of dogs they will receive from the breeders who are forced to give up their property to the state..you can read the greed on the Best Friends website today:

  “Of course, the next step for Best Friends is to work with rescue groups to help overcrowded puppy mill “extras” find safe haven. “

These dog already have ‘safe haven” at their current locations..

Don’t count Iowa out of the fight. We have NO intention of giving in or up. We are already aware the HSUS band here has been lying in wait and salivating over the Prop B issue. We are already aware they plan to push it in bill form here since we don’t have ballot initiatives. We’ve been courting legislators while they were sliding around in their own drool watching MO. We are more than ready for a good game of steam roll the AR’s. Another foot that tries to slide in our door will be in dire need of a podiatrist. We’ve had enough!

Bestuvall - not to sound cynical or anything, but what’s the likelihood that dogs forcibly remanded from legitimate breeders to a lot of these “rescues” (particularly the ones which identify themselves as “associated with” the H$U$) will be intentionally starved and neglected for a few months before they “hit the spotlight”, just to ensure they “look right” for the cameras?

@CTP - you are right all along the board.

The prosecutions which drive these laws are proof they aren’t needed. The idea that more laws will somehow *prevent* ‘abuse’ - where abuse exists (that’s a whole ‘nother issue) is equally dumb. If you could prevent something by passing a law, we’d have no homicides, robberies, rapes, speeders, embezzlements ... have I missed something here?

@ACTP - yep. Pet shop puppies, and don’t forget the ‘rescues’. The other side of the coin is the people who wouldn’t DREAM of *buying* a puppy from an evil breeder - but they’ll ante up nearly the same amount to buy - sorry, ‘adopt’ - a pig in a poke. Is it a failed pet shop puppy? An abandoned Oops! breeding puppy? A dog stolen from one of those evil breeders they’d never buy from, but whose puppy, having been ‘rescued’ is now (unregistered and unsupported) an acceptable acquisition?

One of the interesting effects of the AR campaigns is the very inflated number of abuses animals suffer. No animal acquired from any shelter or rescue is anything other than an abuse victim. The inflation of abuse figures on this score alone must be at least 80%, though I admit it’s a guess. As long as the public believes everybody but them is an abuser, we’ve lost. And as it stands right now, that’s what the public majority believes; that all animal owners (except them) are abusers.

@Nancy Kraus Womack - problem is, it IS the city residents who are passing these laws, and they are consistently doing it in States which are overwhelmingly rural. I absolutely agree that we have to re-educate these people, but how do you propose to do it? AR interests have been pushing their materials in the schools for thirty years or more now, and the city kids have no animals to speak of to refute the allegations that dog breeders and farmers are abusers every one.

Maybe they aren’t hitting the cat breeders quite so hard because cats are still very cmmon pets in the cities, and it’s harder to pull the wool over the eyes of people who own them.

@BADkarma - the problem is that the results of the horse slaughter law aren’t visible to the city people - as the results of other AR law doesn’t reach them in any way which is meaningful to them. Yes, the price of eggs, meat and milk goes up, but it’s done that steadily all their lives anyway. They don’t see actual kennels anywhere, except probably the public shelters which wouldn’t impress anyone as a desireable environment. They don’t see any real farms, only heavily edited images of the worst facilities AR activists can sneak into.

99% of what people in cities know about animals is what they see on TV, in the movies, and in books. And none of that has any connection to reality. A few of them are involved in rescues, and believe that because they do see what abuse there is - though the definition of abuse is becoming increasingly detached from reality - they believe that abuse is the norm, and in greatly inflated abuse statistics.

City people are more or less programmed to believe what the media tells them. The issues they have reference points for some of them can evaluate critically and reject when they are off the wall. But on the issues for which they have no reference points, they are supremely vulnerable, particularly if they are heavily invested in emotion, as are animal abuse issues.

@ bestufall - from your keyboard to the God’s ears. Please let it happen as you propose.

@Nancy - hope you are able to get your city voters on your side.

And BADkarma - don’t count on the conservatives too heavily. AR legislation is one of the few true bi-partisan issues out there. You’d expect conservatives to be solidly on the side of civil rights and property rights, but have you looked at the situation in Texas lately?

Just a heads up ...

On Texas….if you heard Rick Perry on TV since the election he told you a great number of Californians are coming into the state…if he realized what some of US realize he wouldn’t welcome them or their money!!  We already have to many freaks here, a few are actually homegrown (I’m crying when I say that) it was Californians moving into Colorado that ruined IT!  Not all Californians are bad, just those who have moved! ;-D

@BADkarma - I don’t know that they’ll have to work too hard at it. Mostly they are not good animal managers, but actually, haven’t you noticed that they no longer bother to show pix of actually abused animals? They just show pix of well fed, well groomed animals being carried or led by strangers out of their quarters, while describning them as emaciated and filthy, crusted with urine and feces and totally unsocialized.

And the public buys it.