I love this video and have shared it once already….it’s about to be posted for another go round! I also have started messaging friends I see that have “liked” the HSUS…a quick message can educate as much as a drawn out discussion.

Thanks, but I don’t want them to have any more influence over animal shelters than they already do.

Shelters *pay them* for their operations, policy and euthanasia manuals.

Let’s keep ALL animals well out of the HSUS sphere of influence. It would be nice for some of them to survive.

Soooo, I’m a big HumaneWatch fan. I really am.

But I’m downright perplexed (and trying not to be offended) that a certain quote was included and apparently supposed to shock and offend us.

“If we believe in evolution, then we believe that humans come from other animals and the differences between us and them are differences of degree and not kind.”

I fail to see the problem with this quote. Surely I’m missing something. I must be, because certainly science should not be coming under attack in a place like a HW, right?

SCIENCE firmly asserts that we are indeed animals and did indeed evolve from them. SCIENCE also firmly asserts that animals eat other animals. I really despise Wayne Pacelle, but nothing about that quote is shocking or frightening. His implication (that therefore we can’t animals) is silly, but the quote itself is true.

I sometimes get the unfortunate feeling that the pervasive idea amongst those working to preserve animal agriculture is that only God-fearing Christians who think we were put here to “have dominion” over animals are against animal rights. Well, news flash: Not true.

Please, don’t attack evolution. There are enough ignorant fools at it already. And really, don’t we need all the solidarity we can afford? I’m an atheist and I’M ON YOUR SIDE. Let’s keep it that way, and please, let’s not attack science. Science is our friend.

Wayne used that quote to imply we shouldn’t eating animals - that’s silly. Sadly, the videomakers in turn used that quote to imply that belief in science = animal rights support. That’s even more unfortunate.

In a recent poll, 88% said they would not have donated to the ASPCA if they had known about the CEO’s $500,000+ a year salary.

A commenter on the poll put it best, in my opinion: “If you do the math, Say donors donate $20.00 a month each. It would take 25,000 total donor months @ $20.00 a month to pay this salary.. Is this where you thought your money was going when you were donating?”

This is a GREAT example of why you need to research an organization before writing a check. Where is your money going?

They seem to want us all to be vegeterians. That means we would be exploiting farm workers who do the work we wouldn’t want to do for pay we would refuse to do it for

Now I was on board with this video for the first 30 seconds…then not at all. To reach the people who care about animals- really care about animals- the facts about not helping animals will do that, but seeing that HSUS actually does “good things” for animals such as outlawing dove-hunting? That’s going to confuse animal lovers. Thus I say we need a video that caters to the vegetarians who love animals, but oppose the killing ways of HSUS and PETA.
Thank you.

Everything in this video is either grossly misleading or entirely inaccurate. Say what you want about HSUS, but try to place your arguments in some sort of context.

I watched this a few days ago. Loved it!

Oh how I wish we had enough money to run this on television as many times a day as HSUS and ASPCA run their everlasting beg-a-thons.

This video is great and shares the truth… Coming from a farming background I think this should be showed to every true American

@Emily – This is not a HumaneWatch video. We’re just sharing it with our audience. We understand your concerns regarding the presentation of evolution science, but you may want to take up the finer points with Missouri Farmers Care, the organization that produced the video. (http://www.mofarmerscare.com/)

Hi, I would like to know more about the purpose of the HSUS also and why they aren’t doing more to focus their efforts on the senseless slaughter of AMERICAN horses for FOREIGN meat consumption…while I understand the problem of excess production of horses in America, why aren’t more of their funds focused at: #1:  Protecting America’s Horse—the wild Mustang and #2:  Protecting once beloved or just plain discarded horses facing their life ending just to fill the belly of foreigners?

Autumn-HSUS has pushed for banning horse slaughter and the result is COMPLETELY DISASTROUS for the welfare of horses.  Whether you like it or not, the ban on horse slaughter has caused an ENORMOUS increase in horses starved because there was no market to sell horses people could not afford to keep. Some horses have been turned loose and beside starving, have been subject to being attacked by predators. It is much more humane for a horse to die a quick death than to suffer for weeks before dieing. And, instead of wasting an excellent source of protein, why not use it for food for people instead of maggots?

The fact is that HSUS doesn’t care about animals-they are just using the emotions people have about animals as a control measure.  Time for everyone to wake-up.

A darn good video. It needs to be on TV ten times a day and run a little slower so people have time to soak it in. We need a lot more videos on this in order to wake the public up to the real truth of the AR groups HSUS and PETA for sure.

not perfect.. not enough positive about animal owners.. ranchers, farmers, pet owners etc.. and too focused on Wayne himself.. there are lots of people who work at HSUS who are as radical.. to only show one does not show the full spectrum.. maybe next time..

@Autumn, while I understand you concern for the American horses, I hope you understand that up in Canada our plants aren’t only regulated heavily but we are in the process of fixing the mistakes within them. Another thing about these horses coming across the border. From one horse person in Canada to everyone in America: We do not want or need your horses up here. Americans complain about our plants ‘barbaric’ behaviour but when you look at it. Canada’s plants are and were ALWAYS more humane than the plants in America and most definitely more humane than the plants in Mexico. And another little known fact down in America, up in Canada, we have NO horse market because of the tens of thousands of American horses crossing our border. You didn’t just ruin your market when you shut down the plants, you ruined ours as well. I see legitimate horse breeders, who breed awesome horses, SHUTTING DOWN because of the problems these American horses are doing to our horse market. Legitimate horse breeders, the ones who love and care for the horses, who never breed for more than the market, are quitting because they can’t even hope things MIGHT get better. As a result, backyard breeders are running rampant and we get ugly horses with nasty attitudes replacing the beautiful creatures with wonderful temperaments we used to have. And the sole cause is the American horses. Back in 2006 is when our prices were slammed. The pain from the slam only got worse in 2007 when your last plant closed. We went from selling fully trained horses for up to and over 4000 dollars, to selling the same kinds of horses for 200 dollars. I’m not just going to say take the back we don’t want them because there is no way you can support these horses in your economy but I just would like you to know that because of these organizations, like the HSUS and PeTA, they have destroyed a whole culture, a whole market. And the people who voted for it are just as guilty. People don’t like the consequences of their actions but let me tell you something, you put my family and hundreds of others, out of business. We basically lost our jobs and went from putting good food on the table to waiting for the food bank and it all because people listened to their emotions not logic.

@ Emily - HSUS is claiming that for some reason, though we are animals, we don’t have the right to eat or use other animals. No one here is disputing that humans are animals (I don’t think), what we are saying is that yes, humans are animals, and in fact, they are omnivores, and need some animal products in our diet. We are saying that as long as we maintain our animals in good health and treat them well we have the right to own them, ride them, use them for service animals, and yes, eat them as well as the milk, eggs and wool they produce.

HSUS’ position is that we are somehow different from all other animals in that we don’t need to use our natural diet, that in fact, our natural diet is immoral, that it is not only immoral for us to eat meat, but also for us to eat dairy, eggs, honey and any other animal derived product. We are also not supposed to use leather, wool or silk, because those things are also animal products.

Their true position is that animal ownership/use IS animal abuse, and that since no one will be willing to give up ALL animal abuse forthwith, since they deem it immoral, then they’ll have to incrementally regulate animals out of our life.

It’s not possible to keep any animals in a way that is ‘humane’  enough to satisfy them. In the end, if we continue to support their ‘animal protection’ legislation and regulation, we will ultimately be unable, for practical purposes, to keep any domestic animals at all, not even our pampered pets. They don’t have to actually outlaw them to make it impossible for us to keep them.

When asked if he envisioned a future without pets, “If I had my personal view, perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don’t want to see another dog or cat born.” Wayne Pacelle quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 266.

“We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding ...One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding.”
— Animal People News, May 1993

Is this truly what you support?